Adele
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Post by Adele on Apr 11, 2014 4:06:31 GMT
H'Okay.
Aina Kanta has refused to help with the acquisition of the materials/components required for the ritual. Taekari, speaking for Gweyr, has explained the difficulty and risks to bring someone back and the dangers of doing this to the characters. If this is something to be done - it has been left entirely in the hands of Katrina Frost and her friends to decide - but they know where to find the four druids when they have decided. That is what I can offer on that note. I know it doesn't help much... my apologies.
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Post by Keith on Apr 11, 2014 9:00:04 GMT
Kat has been wanting to get Floom back and has been attempting to raise the funds to do so .... but the current situation with magic is giving her pause. What if bringing Floom back causes a huge hole in reality and an entire demon army pours through? Could she live with herself as she would know that she was responsible for destroying everything that she loves. Is this what was meant by "magic comes with a price"?
She decides to see what Kor and the druids say ... she wants Floom back, but may have to accept that the price is too high.
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Post by Daniele on Apr 12, 2014 4:54:25 GMT
To set the record straight: I didn't veto his reincarnation. But if I were running the chat as head DM I would have vetoed it for sure. The reason is simple: certain spells do not fit the setting.
If the High Lord couldn't get the bishop of Anvarol to resurrect his brother, sir Morag, killed before the Night of Blooded Swords, why should pcs be able to pull such feat off?
Evidently there is the urgent need to complete an overhaul of magic on the entire setting. To avoid contradictions like this one arise over and over next time a PC dies.
After all there now many casters able to cast spells that go against the settings flavor and can upset the balance.
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Post by Sean on Apr 12, 2014 14:15:23 GMT
I clarify David; I never meant imply Dan said no; just that he didn't feel resurrection fit the setting and I didn't feel comfortable running it if the boss man didn't. I made this more clear with others (especially Keith, who as the player of Katrina has more say in the matter than you do; it would be him (and everyone else in the scene I planned to run) if we decided to allow it that would take the risk; not you.
I just wanted to tell you last night that it wasn't going to likely happen; death is supposed to be more permanent here.
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Post by Skarre on Apr 12, 2014 14:24:33 GMT
There's a couple ways to fix that magic thing. E-6 was discussed once and voted down, there's also messing with spell progression for classes.
Example: There are no wizards, all casters are spontaneous like sorcerers with sorcerer spells per day, but instead of progressing 1-9, they progress at the Adept rate. Your class is simply the spell list you can choose from. It would limit them to level 5 spells. In order to balance, you'd need to beef the casting classes other than druid with other abilities, higher hp, etc.
Skarre as an test subject would be level 14 with 0-6 | 1-6 | 2-6 | 3-6 | 4-6 + whatever charisma bonus spells per day would end up as.
Sorry for highjacking the thread, just offering some suggestions.
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Post by Adele on Apr 12, 2014 20:10:13 GMT
Well Adele, as the druid pc doing the spell has stated she refused. Nival is not an option as that is a conflict of interest. do you have any other option? I don't see any. If you and Dan say no, so be it. but as I said i'll not dispute the matter. Fair and Fun remember my words. I live by them since I first started playing on FF all them years ago. I have and will always respect the rulings of the DM team. I may offer an opinion. I may suggest something else; like the possibility of Unlife for Floom. But I will -always- Always Always respect a ruling. Now sure I don't enjoy the idea of releasing Floom [one reason he is still in my DB] noone would want to loose their main character. So with that said I ask this. I mentioned this in passing to Jim at the time. The possibility of Unlife for Floom either as a Ghost or Vampire. Ghost is more logical as he was not killed by a vampire. We have as you said before sean 5 pc undead characters. I'm only asking for fair consideration. Floom is lvl 11 few can dispute my RP skills and Jim will tell you the RP when floom was killed was on par. So i'll stop at that and move onward. Last tiny bit as asked before someone give =all= floom's stuff to Kat and please talk to Kieth on what he wants to keep and sell. Now wait here, David. You seem to have misunderstood me. Gweyr Yruaeme, (the only other Druid capable and willing of casting that spell, I believe) never said she refused - she refuses to have part of gathering the materials. Because she believes that if people around going to want someone reincarnated and are willing to go through with such a dangerous ritual, she believes that they should have part in it. No, she is not going to have part in that - (Because she would not put money towards it - she doesn't even know what money is - she makes wind-chimes with platinum pieces and puts all of her silvers on the dead tree she lives in. She's a druid that had been raised by the Dryad deep within the forests of the Quarlen. She simply will not have part in gathering the materials and Aina Kanta a whole would not perform such a ritual within the perimeter of the city - certainly not their own grove in Sparrow Woods either. She believes that if Katrina wants to reincarnate her husband - that she needs to understand the risks and the price she has to pay. And that is something that should rest upon the shoulders of his wife. I think that is fair. Aina Kanta would be entirely in charge of deciding whether or not they are willing to sacrifice what-ever it is that they might have to in order to have this ritual work. The other thing we must ask ourselves here, OOC, as a DM Team: If we make Floom Frost undead, are we willing to do the same for any other High Level PC that dies? You are asking him to be a ghost (which a spirit can still be rebuked or turned). An interesting concept as to my understanding we do not have any ghost PCs on the chat.
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Post by Keith on Apr 14, 2014 1:45:46 GMT
I've looked at this problem from several viewpoints, from Kat's alignment (NG) to the chat setting itself - and she has concluded that she is not going to go ahead with the resurrection. As she sees it, the price is too high, and the risks of something going really wrong, like ripping a large hole in the space/time continuum and allowing a demon horde to invade is just too risky. Besides, if it was that easy, why aren't the nobles doing it - as they're more likely to be able to afford it. She wants what's best for the greater good .... and being that selfish, even though she was really really tempted, isn't it. She had even been tempted to go into the Hive, find a low-life, and use them as a sacrificial victim - but, upon reflection, where does justice end and murder begin?
So she has reluctantly decided to let Floom go ... but he will never be forgotten - she will make sure that his memory, at least, lives on.
Keith
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Post by Sean on Apr 14, 2014 2:45:53 GMT
For the record, as of right now, I believe we only have one undead and we only had three undead PCs that I knew of (which honestly were three more than we should have had).
Also, David, I'm sorry you lost Floom but we're not going to have another undead PC; especially not a ghost since anyone can say that their PC had "unfinished business". I hate to be the bearer of bad news here... But Floom is gone.
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